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Microsoft-stacking in WG4

Traditionally, for every meeting we have in WG4, some conspiracy-theory is born on how much money the delegates received from Microsoft, how many sports-cars we each got from Microsoft or how we each had a Microsoft employee sitting on our laps dictating what we should say.

So, I thought I'd beat the usual nut jobs to it and present the attendance list myself. The minutes from the meeting will be available soon, but who wants to wait for exiting news like this?

The attendance list was this:

Name Affiliation
Employer/sponsor
Pia Lange
Host Dansk Standard
Makato Murata
WG4 Convener
International University of Japan
Sam Oh
SC34 Chair
Sungkyunkwan University
Keld Simonsen
NO HoD DKUUG?
Dave Welsh
US HoD
Microsoft
Mario Wendt
DE HoD
Microsoft
Klaus-Peter Eckert
DE Fraunhofer Fokus
Jesper Lund Stocholm
DK HoD
CIBER
Rex Jaeschke ECMA HoD, project editor Consultant
Doug Mahugh
ECMA
Microsoft
Shawn Villaron
ECMA
Microsoft
Kimmo Bergious
FI HoD
Microsoft
Alex Brown
GB HoD
Griffin Brown Digital Publishing Ltd.
Gareth Horton
GB
Datawatch
Jaeho Lee
KR HoD
University of Seoul
Jung-Jin Yang
KR
The Catholic Univeristy of Korea

So out of a total of 1416 people attending ... 56 people were in some way affiliated with Microsoft and/or ECMA. What the hell, throw the Microsoft shill Alex Brown into the pot as well - that'll make it a total of 67 people.

I don't know what to say ... I'm shocked.

Update: I have been notified that I missed two persons on the list, Dave Welch and Keld Simonsen. List and numbers have been updated accordingly. Smile

Comments (6) -

You might want to ask some of the others whether they are also funded by Microsoft.  For example, Eckert is quoted in this press release that talks about Microsoft funding the Fraunhofer research project:  www.microsoft.com/.../05-18DIIFraunhoferPR.mspx

I've been told that at least one other on the list is also a Microsoft consultant.

Hi Rob,

How nice of you to drop by my blog Smile

For example, Eckert is quoted in this press release that talks about Microsoft funding the Fraunhofer research project

I think you are stretching it. I was once quoted in a press release from Microsoft about some of their interop initiatives. Would you by this say, that I am probably also in Microsoft's pockets? John Head (https://twitter.com/johnhead) was also quoted in that press release - in a more prominent position than I was. Are you also  implying that John is bought and paid for?

I've been told that at least one other on the list is also a Microsoft consultant.

Interesting ... and who might that be?

Jesper, the press release says, "Microsoft is supporting these activities both as a development partner and through project funding".  So this is not just a wild guess of mine.  Microsoft is explicitly saying that they are funding them. The fact that Eckert works on the project that is being funded by Microosft is also clear from the quote and his participation.  

Nothing wrong with this, of course.  The funding arrangement was disclosed in the press release.   But if your blog post includes one consultant (Rex) in the Microsoft/Ecma tally, then it is inconsistent that you do not include the others.

Hi Rob,

But if your blog post includes one consultant (Rex) in the Microsoft/Ecma tally, then it is inconsistent that you do not include the others.

Again - I think you are stretching it. By your logic, any contributor working on any project sponsored/funded by IBM or Microsoft would catagorized as "IBM/Microsoft affiliated". I used to work for at huge IT/consultancy-company based outside of Chicago Il, and I can confirm, that the concept of "if you pay for the party, you effectively own my ass" was very real for my former American collegues. But I can assure you, that things work differently in Europe. The concept of "yes-men" must be an American thing (or, presumably just an IBM-thing).

I included Rex in the tally since Rex is the project editor and because ECMA runs the secretariat of WG4.

I am deeply surprised that you find it worth your time to spread this kind of innuendo.

Wikipedia on the origins of FUD:
"FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering [competitor] products."

Old habits?

Strange all those IBM employees that were at the BRM, oh so interested in 'participating' in Office Open XML standardization, and now non of them is still attending any meetings about Office Open XML.

Why would that be ?

And if anything the committee most stacked is the OASIS Opendocument format committee that Sun and IBM have completly locked up since forever.

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